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@mgorny@social.treehouse.systems
2026-07-18 16:41:50

Let's get this straight: anything created with "AI" is #slop.
It doesn't have to be vibe-coded. It doesn't have to be horrible code. It doesn't matter that you've spent hours perfecting the prompt. It doesn't matter that ten people have spent a week reviewing it in detail.
As long as an "AI" took part in writing it, it's slop. It's an unethical technology, and anything created with it is tainted. It's an inhuman technology, and you're supporting it. You're being disrespectful to your users and contributors. You're putting your own convenience over humanity. You're aiding the worst murderous assholes in the history of humanity. And what's perhaps worst, you quite likely believe that you are making a net positive contribution, that you're helping people, while you're actually disrespecting and harming them.
#NoAI #NoLLM

@mgorny@social.treehouse.systems
2026-07-15 04:57:12

The state of #Python ecosystem right now: almost everything is slop. Some projects are complete vibe-coded slop (autobahn, chardet, cryptography). Some projects are disguised slop ("Coding agents shouldn't co-author themselves.")
There is only a handful of human projects left (Flask being one bright example). And they're being killed. They're being killed by the neverending slew of slop pull requests. They're being killed by all their dependencies becoming slop. They're being killed because this whole ecosystem has became such a complete cesspit that you have zero motivation to do anything.
EDIT: and honestly, this is only going to get worse. When you kill the incentive to work on projects, you only get more slop. Maintainers give in, and more projects become slop. Or they give up, and projects get forked unto slop.
#NoAI #NoLLM

@mgorny@social.treehouse.systems
2026-07-09 04:47:09

Sometimes I do wonder if the only ethical thing let to do is to delete all your projects, and do your best to have them disappear from public space. Of course, that won't stop people from making your complicit in their acts of planetary destruction entirely, but at least you're trying…
And that's coming from me, a person who considers destroying knowledge and craft an unthinkable crime.
#NoAI #NoLLM

@mgorny@social.treehouse.systems
2026-06-27 14:52:08

Do you remember the good old days when people who couldn't do basic HTML, used a WYSIWYG editor to create a website, rather than asking a slop machine to spit random HTML for them?
#NoAI #NoLLM

@mgorny@social.treehouse.systems
2026-07-27 07:47:52

Neoliberals: "We agree with all what you said, but this needs to be handled via regulation. We won't be inconveniencing ourselves with boycotting it."
Neoliberals when regulation occurs: "They're taking our freedom!"
#NoAI #NoLLM

@mgorny@social.treehouse.systems
2026-06-26 14:14:59

Your performance plummeted because AI data centres are shutting down due to extreme heat.
My performance plummeted because I'm melting.
We're not the same. You're the bastard co-responsible for this.
#NoAI #NoLLM

@mgorny@social.treehouse.systems
2026-06-29 03:20:40

Human translators manage good #translation because they comprehend the original text, know its intricacies and can actually creatively write to preserve its gist. Context is more than the surrounding paragraphs: it includes the cultural and social background, other books, etc. Sometimes it literally involves getting hints from the author. And in the end, it is deeply personal. It can't be "accurate", because no two people are the same, and no two languages map 1:1 (though the interpretation will also differ between different users of the same language); the best you can do is add translator's notes.
LLM translators manage good translation because they've been fed tons of human translation work, and quite often they manage to match an original human translation and plagiarize it. They may even seem better because they seem to manage it without sufficient context, but that's only because they've found a human translation that had that context already.
Or, well, technically they can also regurgitate something that makes sense only in the irrelevant original context.
#NoAI #NoLLM

@mgorny@social.treehouse.systems
2026-07-27 06:09:28

I'm trying to keep an open mind.
When someone I used to respect starts using LLMs, I'm thinking: okay, their moral compass is bad, but at least they're putting an effort to review that stuff and they're trying to improve other projects.
When that person writes a pro-AI blog post, complaining that people aren't respecting them anymore, I'm still trying to stay neutral.
But honestly, when said person starts ranting that Codeberg dared ban vibecoded shit, I can't but despise them at this point.
#NoAI #NoLLM

@mgorny@social.treehouse.systems
2026-07-23 11:45:48

Now I really want to create a #Gentoo project called "The Butlerian Inquisition".
#NoAI #NoLLM

@mgorny@social.treehouse.systems
2026-08-11 10:02:20

Okay, not using "#AI" isn't hard.
It's not like anybody's asking you to switch to a more expensive vegan diet when you've been eating meat all your life and you have a bunch of health issues that make any diet changes hard.
It's more like deciding not to switch from a normal diet to one primarily based on McDonald's just because everyone else thinks it's cool, and also you're going to save some time on cooking (at the cost of driving there and back all the time).
What we're literally asking you to consider is to keep doing things like you do, without engaging in a pointless, expensive, destructive hype just because "everyone" thinks it's so great and it gives you positive reinforcement. It's "you've managed not to be a dork so far, why'd you suddenly want to pay extra to become one?"
#NoAI #NoLLM

@mgorny@social.treehouse.systems
2026-07-09 03:29:32

There's a new meat eating hype. Meat companies are telling everyone people would have more energy if they only ate more meat. Employers are getting huge meat lunches for their employees and expecting a productivity boost. Against their better judgement, employees are stuffing themselves with loads of meat and struggling to work. But eventually, they figure out how to eat more and be more productive. In the meantime, a lot of people (including meat eaters) are crying over the obvious climate and health harm, both from increased meat consumption and from increased waste as people throw away even more food.
Meat eaters now put up a big banners of what meat they like, and invite others to join them with meat. More people are becoming vocally vegan, or at least trying to limit their meat consumption. Some also put "vegan" or even more aggressive "no meat allowed" signs.
Some meat eaters think it's fine to bring offering of meat to a stranger if they didn't put up an explicit "vegan" sign yet. "I won't get offensed, I'll just throw it in the trash", they say. Some go even further and try to trick you by saying it's actually a vegan meat-lookalike.
#AI #LLM #NoAI #NoLLM

@mgorny@social.treehouse.systems
2026-09-10 11:35:10

Okay, let's get this straight. I have trouble taking compliments for my work.
I was raised in 1990s Poland, you could say it was on the border between two eras. It was a time of newly realized freedom, when people thought that the possibilities were now endless and you had to grab them, you had to compete for them.
You didn't compliment kids for their work, that would spoil them. You could compliment kids for their looks (not me, though, I apparently had "other qualities"). But not for their successes; you instead pointed out where they didn't succeed, or that they could do even better. Because that obviously motivates them to try harder, rather than causes them to stop trying at all, because what's the point. And of course you never complimented your employees, because they never deserved that, they were always the lazy little bastards, undeserving of the job you've given them, only looking how to steal your money. Well, you get my point.
So when I started interacting with people from other cultures, it's been a shock. I've been raised to be an asshole. Fortunately, at least some of them knew this part of "Eastern European" culture and bore with me. And I've got compliments, and real gratification, and my mindset slowly started changing. Honestly, when someone compliments me for my work, I still am uneasy and distrustful (are they being sarcastic?), but I can believe it's honest.
And here comes all the messed up #AI hype, and bootlicking machines. And most of them are mass generating false compliments and pleasantries, and what not. And people are repasting this slop everywhere, and learning from it, and talking like it. And now, whenever I see people being nice, I'm not just uneasy. I keep wondering: is this real, or is it slop? Am I talking to a person, or to a bot? Is this actually being nice, or is it awfully disrespectful?
I'm so tired of this timeline. How do you people stay sane?
#NoAI #NoLLM

@mgorny@social.treehouse.systems
2026-07-03 12:25:01

All these talks of "#AI achieved in a day what used to take a month" make me recall how a certain Polish person (known for the usual post-WW2 abstract hatred for Germans) noted how many great highways were built by the Nazi Germany. I think this needs no further comment.
#LLM #NoAI #NoLLM

@mgorny@social.treehouse.systems
2026-07-01 17:00:01

Congratulations. Now I'm actively worried to open a PR fixing my issue, because there's already been a few #slop PRs opened attempting to fix it. And I'm literally worried that mine would be taken as another slop PR…
#NoAI #NoLLM #FreeSoftware #GitHub

@mgorny@social.treehouse.systems
2026-07-27 06:57:41

And this "entitled prospective user" attitude. "I was planning on moving my projects to #Codeberg, but now I won't". Oh, how sad that you won't give them the benefit of using their free services (okay, I'm sure you were going to donate).
Reminds me of the "entitled prospective contributor" attitude in #Gentoo. "You never heard from me before, but I don't like this new policy. There are dozens of new contributors with me, just around the corner, and now we won't be able to contribute." (This was about the copyright policy, so they could have contributed noncontroversially for a long time, yet they never did.)
#NoAI #NoLLM

@mgorny@social.treehouse.systems
2026-08-15 11:58:06

Oh, great. So apparently #Microsoft decided to add "#Copilot Pull Request Reviewer" to my "Authorized #GitHub Apps", behind my back.
If you need to check quick: #NoAI #NoLLM

@mgorny@social.treehouse.systems
2026-07-25 11:51:23

Let's say you're building a house. Normally this involves hiring a whole bunch of experts (either directly or via some company). You need to pay a fair wage for their labor, and you have to pay for all the material they're going to use. Some of them will be more experienced than others. They will sometimes make a mistake. They will sometimes get sick. The whole construction work will probably take a few months, and may get delayed in the process. Some construction material will be wasted. There's also a risk that over the next years, you'll discover that they screwed something up, and have to fix it. But you'll get a reasonably good house.
Now, a kid comes and tells you you don't have to do this. Instead of paying all these people, you can hire him. He's wearing a suit and sunshades. He never laid a brick in his whole life. But he's got this new great technology that will give you a great house in no time. Of course it will cost you, but not as much as the labor of all these people. You try to learn more, and you discover that the technology actually builds and razes a hundred of house-like things a day, until it gets close enough to something that actually resembles a house. There's a lot of wasted energy and material, but you don't have to worry because it's all subsidized (for the time being). You pay less, you get a house that looks just right on the outside and inside, and that seems to work just right.
Of course, there's a real risk that in a few months you'll discover that something is wrong. You may have to pay a lot for a real expert to figure out how things were done, and how to fix them. Or they may not be able to help you. You may be stuck having to call the suit again, and he'll happily come and fix it for you. And by "fix", I mean he will just raze a whole part of the house and start randomly spitting it out again until he gets something that looks about right, and works about right. Of course, it may not really be a good fit for the rest of the house, but you don't want to pay for replacing the whole thing, do you? It may also introduce a completely new issues that will surface in a few months, but that's just how it is.
Welcome to the glorious world of #AI.
#NoAI #NoLLM #LLM

@mgorny@social.treehouse.systems
2026-08-29 17:00:29

So if you think you can "just" solve the destruction of infrastructure done by #AI crawlers, think again.
Konstantin Ryabitsev, Creepy crawlies
#NoAI #NoLLM

@mgorny@social.treehouse.systems
2026-08-28 15:15:52

#AI bros be like:
Of course I'm opposed to slavery! I wouldn't even have thought of owning a slave! Nobody should be allowed to enslave people!
Why are you picking on the fact that I'm using slave labor from these companies? Why should I sacrifice my convenience when others are going to be using their services anyway! They're still going to keep enslaving people whether i use their services or not. In fact, I'm actually doing a good thing, because I'm using that to make a positive contribution to the world! The problem of slavery really needs to be solved at state level.
Besides, I'm pretty sure that thanks to the developments in slavery soon enough we'd be able to ethically own a small number of local slaves.
#NoAI #NoLLM

@mgorny@social.treehouse.systems
2026-07-24 10:49:27

I love how people keep shitting up #slop comments that praise my #LLM criticisms. I mean, I probably wouldn't have figured it out if not there were two suspiciously similar comments, and both ofc linked some random slop SaaS.
#AI #NoAI #NoLLM

@mgorny@social.treehouse.systems
2026-07-25 17:00:41

In the meantime, #GitPython, the package that used to be dead (because the author is busily working on their next great thing) is now slopping out 4 "security" releases a week, as their #slop machine is busily fixing unintended variable expansion in every single URL they call. Unfortunately, they probably don't have enough tokens to fix them all at once, so instead all downstreams have to deal with the churn of endless security releases. Or the brain to figure out that maybe they could just disable variable expansion by default and solve them all at once.
It's truly a great time to be a #Python packager.
#NoAI #NoLLM

@mgorny@social.treehouse.systems
2026-06-20 11:47:24

Just one more LLM, bro. Just one more LLM and this code will surely work fine!
#AI #LLM #NoAI #NoLLM #slop

@mgorny@social.treehouse.systems
2026-07-24 11:14:22

Here's a perfect #blog #AntiSpam idea: put an URL field, and say "to pass, you must leave that field empty". Challenge difficulty level: impossible.
#spam #slop #NoAI #NoLLM

@mgorny@social.treehouse.systems
2026-08-20 01:45:30

Whenever someone "skeptical" is suddenly "impressed" by something they've done with "AI", I'm like: yes, you'd be surprised how much you can achieve if you just pour billions of dollars, terawatts of electricity, tons of water and plagiarise everything created by everyone who ever lived.
But if we spent that money making people not miserable, surely you won't get anything impressive.
#NoAI #NoLLM

@mgorny@social.treehouse.systems
2026-08-10 05:38:01

If anyone's wondering, #Xfce is a #slop junk now too, and the author is busy writing long excuses for them, with full realization of how harmful they are.
#NoAI #NoLLM

@mgorny@social.treehouse.systems
2026-08-08 06:31:40

I've taken #Gentoo Bugzilla down, because it was unusable anyway. No point in feeding the #LLM scrapers that are using thousands of different IPv4 addresses, with no obvious patterns I can see.
EDIT: I'm not looking for hints. I'm not a sysadmin, and I don't have time to deal with this shit. I'm just trying to get some useful job done. I'm not supposed to have to be dealing with this.
#AI #NoAI #NoLLM

@mgorny@social.treehouse.systems
2026-08-04 11:54:40

If my principles didn't prevent me from doing that, I'd be replying with walls of LLM-generated text of how offended I am whenever someone replies to my bug reports with LLM-generated walls of text.
Also, this is where I lose patience: #NoAI #NoLLM

@mgorny@social.treehouse.systems
2026-09-02 07:59:30

Do we already have a term for people whose ability to reason has seriously deteriorated after they started relying on #AI? If not, I propose slopbrain.
On a totally different topic, am I missing something here or is the maintainer plain wrong? #NoAI #NoLLM #Python

@mgorny@social.treehouse.systems
2026-08-29 16:21:16

Unsurprisingly, #Debian chose to embrace #slop: #AI #NoAI #NoLLM

@mgorny@social.treehouse.systems
2026-08-31 18:19:17

Seriously, you need a stupid #LLM to post a two-sentence comment now?
#AI #NoAI #NoLLM

@mgorny@social.treehouse.systems
2026-08-21 06:42:15

#AI is a zombie virus.
There were so many #FreeSoftware projects that were dead and buried with honors, or at least on life support. It was unfortunate. Sometimes it involved a lot of downstream scaffolding to keep everything working. But at least we had warm memories of them and respect to their authors.
And now slop virus is taking them over, one after another. It's pulling them out of their graves or hospital beds, deformed and mutilated. All the warmth is gone. They have no purpose anymore, beyond feeding.
Sometimes this is done by kids who don't understand the first thing about the project they're defiling, who just want to get credit for something important. However, more often this is done by their original maintainers, who not only don't seem to realize their prime time is over, but who are many years detached from honest software development work.
#NoAI #NoLLM