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@teledyn@mstdn.ca
2025-12-02 04:35:18
Content warning: re: intense Gnome frustrations no one should be forced to read

and so, once again, the 'solution' isn't in the distro or legacy, it is in the wiki on the internals of Evolution where I just incidentally learn it can be a flatpak or not, and thus there are TWO .local/share folders to wipe. So I delete all accts in Evo, empty trash just in case, exit, wipe those folders, go into Settings, delete the Google connection which shows as two identical so delete them both, reboot.
On boot, go straight to settings which shows none, add Google and I'm in, quick as a wink. I start #Evolution, and lo, there it is, my account fetching emails!
Now to figure that #mastodonel thing and why mastodon.plstore is so problematic.

@teledyn@mstdn.ca
2025-12-01 18:11:21
Content warning: intense Gnome frustrations no one should be forced to read

so
very
frustrating
#Gnome #Evolution how is this even possible? Fresh #Debian13 install, launched, added my google workspace, read and answered email, browsed calendar, really nice, but the VERY NEXT MORNING suddenly tossed into OAuth2-is-missing, step through the 'wizard' and it always ends with the same heartache, are you trying sign in? and then…
Mail authentication (shown) gives a URL to a page, Make sure you trust Gnome (4 perms already granted, Google console agrees) but in Firefox that URL asks to confirm and then reverts to google.com. In the minibrowser, it gets to "Requesting access token, please wait"
And wait you do.
How is this even POSSIBLE? What could cause it to (a) drop an OAuth2 overnight that had been in use for a day and (b) subsequently give a URL that does not result in an access token. I removed permissions on the Google side, but same results. Reinstalled Evolution, no change
yes, I checked gitlab.gnome.org

@teledyn@mstdn.ca
2025-11-30 17:23:05

and it was going so well too: spent yesterday enjoying a not-gmail #Evolution access to my workspace, but now, as of this morning, with no changes other than sleep, Evolution is locked out:
“Failed to authenticate: Cannot create an item in a locked collection”.
ok #Debian13 #gnome wtf is a "locked collection" and by who's authority was it created with a lock on my own machine?
More to the point: will my Evolution email always be this fragile? ie is it pointless to even try?
More to the gripe: do software developers EVER post messages using terms that are actually DEFINED somewhere?

@teledyn@mstdn.ca
2025-12-01 18:41:46
Content warning: intense Gnome frustrations no one should be forced to read

Created a fresh account, logged in, immediately launched #Evolution and entered the Google account, and I get the exact same behaviour?!
Is it possible Google changed the rules midnight Nov 29th? Or is the #FUBAR thing deep deep in the bowels of #debian13?

@teledyn@mstdn.ca
2025-12-01 19:15:30
Content warning: re: intense Gnome frustrations no one should be forced to read

Found an obscure hint that perhaps instead of authenticating through #Evolution I should instead authenticate through the #Gnome settings for attached accounts, so I tried that approach, this time it asks for far more permissions (8 in all) but, you guessed it, a classic Sam Beckett "No Answer" and the terse response, "timed out".
So the app doesn't matter. The browser doesn't matter. The account or any legacy cruft doesn't matter.
Does this leave as the only explanation that perhaps Google no longer provides OAuth2 tokens? Surely that would be all over the news if true, but I'm running out of local culprits. Also Emacs inability to authenticate Mastodon suggests its neither google nor Debian per se? Maybe I should spend my time more productively slamming a car door on my fingers?
I have a dread feeling wiping the laptop and carefully reinstalling from scratch will not work.

@curiouscat@fosstodon.org
2025-11-23 16:02:32

The Hardest Problem #Evolution Ever Solved
#science

@jby@ecoevo.social
2025-10-21 14:45:18

Great RadioLab interview with Ella al-Shamahi, about her journey from religious anti-evolutionism into evolutionary biology. New perspective but also familiar if you (like me) grew up among Christian creationists; really moving on what faith, even "denialist" faith, means to people
#science #evolution

@a_j_millar@fediscience.org
2025-10-14 13:01:12

The splendid Napoleon Oak 🌳 in its 248th year, now on the campus of the University of Lausanne.
➡️ #UNIL researchers tested how many 🧬 mutations have accumulated over the centuries, distinguishing leaves of the oldest-diverged branches 🌿 from the top of the canopy. Research for arborists!👍
TL:DR surprisingly few.
➡️ #ThickTrunkTuesday #PlantSci #Trees #evolution #Lausanne
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@mgorny@social.treehouse.systems
2025-10-04 20:16:32

Let's be honest. I've been a strong supporter of #OpenPGP (or #PGP in general) for a long time. And I still can't think of any real alternative that exists right now. And I kept believing it's not "that hard" — but it doesn't seem like it's getting any easier. The big problem with standards like that are tools.
#WebOfTrust is hard, and impractical for a lot of people. It doesn't really help how many tools implement trust. I mean, I sometimes receive encrypted mail via #EvolutionMail — and Evolution makes it really hard for me to reply encrypted without permanently trusting the sender!
The whole SKS keyserver mess doesn't help PGP at all. Nowadays finding someone's key is often hard. If you're lucky, WKD will work. If you're not, you're up for searching a bunch of keyservers, GitHub, or perhaps random websites. And it definitely doesn't help that some of these may hold expired keys, with people uploading their new key only to a subset of them or forgetting to do it.
On top of that, we have interoperability issues. Definitely doesn't speak well when GnuPG can't import keys from popular keyservers over lack of UIDs. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.
Now with diverging OpenPGP standards around the corner, we're a step ahead from true interoperability problems. Just imagine convincing someone to use OpenPGP, only to tell them afterwards that they've used non-portable tool / settings, and their key doesn't work for you.
That's really not how you advocate for #encryption.