@rasterweb@mastodon.socialEven Meshtastic has been infected. There is some slop-sucker in Milwaukee who created an AI bot that is on the mesh.
Locals are talking about how to ban it, the issue of censorship, future improvements to apps, etc.
Anyone else seeing spam (or AI) on the mesh?
#meshtastic #noAI
@mgorny@social.treehouse.systems @rasterweb@mastodon.social @mgorny@social.treehouse.systemsWhen you're building software aimed at a niche related to hype, the only thing you can do is hook people onto it. I mean, you're targeting the kind people who have an attention span of a fruit fly. Unless they're literally addicted to your software, they're going to forget it as soon as they notice the next shiny thing.
#AI #LLM #NoAI #NoLLM #FreeSoftware #OpenSource
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@imaginaryrobots@social.linux.pizzaI spent most of the day adding AI poison to my website using nginx rules. Then I ate ham. It was a good day! #noai
@mgorny@social.treehouse.systems @rasterweb@mastodon.socialMy web site's GenAI/LLM policy:
#NoAI
@mgorny@social.treehouse.systemsSome people think that #LLM usage costs rising will start undoing some of the harm caused by the #AI hype. I don't think that's really going to help that much.
I'm not even talking about all the projects that were ensloppified and enshittified already. I'm not talking about all the technical debt. I'm not talking about all the forks that will have to be maintained forever. I'm not talking of all the projects that were abandoned because of burnout, or because they were only hype-oriented. And I'm not talking about all the corporations that will continue submitting slop.
I'm talking about the loss of trust. After all, we're not talking of people who realized they were wrong and are sorry. We're not talking of people realizing that it was wrong to forfeit ethics and morals in the name of "productivity". We're talking of people who are jumping ships because their previous approach turned out not to be profitable anymore. We're talking of gamblers who left the casino because they went broke. They aren't sorry that they gambled; they are sorry that they've lost. And they'd be happy to do it again at the nearest opportunity.
So, I'm sorry to say, but #FreeSoftware is never going to be the same again. A lot of people have shown their true colors, and I won't forget that.
#NoAI #NoLLM #OpenSource #FLOSS
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@raysofred@discordian.social @mgorny@social.treehouse.systems @rasterweb@mastodon.socialKeep the pressure on. When we complain, push back, reject, and just say no to companies, orgs, projects, from doing AI related things, it gives them pause... they need to determine if they are alienating enough of their users, customers, audience to have an effect.
If there is a announcement about some AI thing, let them know you hate it.
#NoAI
@mgorny@social.treehouse.systemsGiven these days you can't even expect #Gentoo contributors to be respectable, I'm working on adding a git hook that rejects commits with #LLM attribution. Could you help me find all the common patterns used to mark LLM-assisted #git commits?
So far I'm checking for author and Co-authored-by using the following e-mail patterns:
• copilot@github.com
• *@anthropic.com
• claude@users.noreply.github.com
• * claude[bot]@users.noreply.github.com
• *@openai.com
• * chatgpt-codex-connector[bot]@users.noreply.github.com
• *@cursor.com
• *@x.ai
• *@google.com
I think some people came up with some other tags to mark LLM commits but can't find that right now.
EDIT: added Assisted-by.
#NoAI #NoLLM #AI
@buercher@tooting.ch#noai #leavegoogle c’est fait en 5 secondes
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@teledyn@mstdn.caGhost in the Machine (2026) is hot right now among the torrents. #noAI
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@hex@kolektiva.socialEvery now and then someone brings up #EffectiveAltruism, #TESCREAL, #RokosBasilisk, #Rationalism, or some other #Musk related nonsense. I ridicule it, or laugh, and move on. The whole evil god of Roko's Basilisk is so silly it doesn't feel worth writing about. But people started a whole cult over it and killed a bunch of people.
Since then I've been meaning to actually spend time tearing it down. So I think it's time to go kill a god. Fortunately it involves making fun of Elon Musk specifically and all the #AI-pilled #TechBros more generally, so that's nice I guess.
Also, I make the argument that we're all in a simulation that only exists to torture Elon Musk.
#NoAI #Singularity #longtermism #Yudkowsky #Zizians
@mgorny@social.treehouse.systems @mgorny@social.treehouse.systems @mgorny@social.treehouse.systemsYesterday, I've read a vibe coded script for the first time in my life, and I've cried.
It wasn't ugly. "Ugly" is not the right term. It was as if someone wasn't able to comprehend beauty, but badly tried to mimic it. It felt like "malicious compliance" to beauty. The kind of awful verbose pedantry that feels wrong every step of the way.
It's the kind of code you'd expect in a corporate environment when you know that the code would be read by the top suits who have no idea about coding, but judge it by the volume and expect science fiction level of make-believe.
It's the kind of code is abstracted away into the tiniest details. Every function returns a complex dataclass explaining precisely what it did, for no reason at all. What would be two lines of code is a function. What would be a function is a whole module. It's a caricature of good programming practices.
I was supposed to add modifying a second field on the same object via GitHub API. I've guessed it would take me about an hour to figure out the code enough to be able to do that — what ought to be 2-3 extra lines. I suspected I'd discover that most of the code does precisely nothing. Just meaningless API exchanges that are absolutely unnecessary. It felt like the kind of parody of bureaucracy where you have to file 10 forms to do something, and only one of them actually means anything.
What used to be "do one thing well" became "doing ten totally random things is fine, as long as one of them happens to be what I need, and the whole thing doesn't blow anything up in an obvious way".
Perhaps it's just because this way a throwaway script. Maybe "production" stuff takes more, err, prompt refining? Maybe it actually can produce stuff that's comprehensible.
But if that code was any indicator, then I'm not going to believe that any big LLM contributions are actually reviewed by humans. A review will take more time than rewriting from scratch. This is a ticking time bomb. That LLM-generated code isn't introducing exploits right now is either a statistical accident, or it's just that nobody bothers.
Clarification: I didn't "prompt" it or request one. I'm not a hypocrite.
#NoAI #NoLLM #AI #LLM
@mgorny@social.treehouse.systemsComputers used to be fun. I used to use Windows 9x, and it was unstable as hell, and you kept having to lean over backwards to get things to work. Then I used bleeding edge Linux, and at some point I've ended up running pure framebuffer tty for months because X11 was broken. But despite all the breakage (or maybe even because of it), it was fun. It was fun because random accidental breakage was the worst you could expect.
Nowadays, accidental breakage is rare. Things are relatively stable. However, every step of the way you have to watch out for bad actors. No, not criminals, they are rare. Evil corporations who are looking at every opportunity to fuck you up. Using computer is no longer fun, it's no longer a tool that helps you, and it's no longer your choice. You are forced to use it, and if you don't want to be hurt every step of the way, you have to spend all the effort on fighting back. And you're fucked up anyway, because even if you manage, your family and all the people around you won't care and will let their devices, their computers and their smartphones fuck you up.
I've started using FLOSS so many years ago, for the trivial reason that I didn't want to pay for software. I stayed because I enjoyed doing it. And I wanted to make a difference, I wanted to contribute positively to the world. Even if in a little way, but I wanted to be able to say that as much harm I've done to the planet, there's at least something positive to balance it out.
But nowadays I hate FLOSS. It's been overrun by the worst people in the world. The people who aren't happy with just fucking you up. They want everyone to keep fucking everyone up. It's the kind of horror where whatever you do, it turns out you're causing harm.
I don't trust my #Gentoo #packaging work anymore. So much of the software I touch turns out to be #slop. When I file a pull request, I'm worried it will trigger #LLM reviews. When I file a bug, I'm worried it will trigger LLM responses. And today, I've learned that my old bug report to a #NoAI project resulted in a dozen slop pull requests already. Whatever you do, #AI folks smile and tell you "see, you fucked up the world even more after all".
Honestly, I don't know what to do. I hate all of this so much. But even if I managed to figure out something else to do for a living, I can't escape computers. And if I stop doing them, if I stop fighting them, I will only end up being fucked up more.
#NoLLM #AI #FreeSoftware
@mgorny@social.treehouse.systems @mgorny@social.treehouse.systems @mgorny@social.treehouse.systems @mgorny@social.treehouse.systemsTech companies seem to be running a cycle:
1. They don't realize how much they're relying on volunteer-maintained projects.
2. Something bad happens and they suddenly decide they need to support this critical infrastructure, often by hiring some people behind it and making its maintenance part of their dayjob.
3. They realize they could save money by exploiting volunteers to maintain these #OpenSource projects. They lay workers off or move them to other projects.
4. Go to 1.
Except now they're trying to replace workers with slop machines, deskill everyone and basically they're not only poisoning the well, but killing the whole water cycle. And they're realizing that they just gave the bad people a tool that can quickly find just how vulnerable their critical infrastructure is.
Really appreciate the long-term thinking there.
#FreeSoftware #FLOSS #TechBros #AI #LLM #NoAI #NoLLM #Linux #security
@mgorny@social.treehouse.systems @mgorny@social.treehouse.systems @mgorny@social.treehouse.systemsIn the era of #LLM psychosis, it's important to emphasize that it is fine to talk to yourself.
Your own brain is entirely capable of being a sounding board. It can provide a second and a third opinion. It can look at things from another person's perspective. It can simulate complete complex interactions. And it can do all that in the privacy of your own head, with no extra energy cost. And it can give you a deeper understanding of yourself.
You don't need chatbots for that. You don't need to lean on their nazi owners. You don't need to pay for them, you don't need to share the intimate details of your life, you don't need to burn the planet in the process. You won't get hurt accidentally, you won't get abused or blackmailed. And your brain won't leave you helpless when someone suddenly decides helping you isn't profitable.
#AI #NoAI #NoLLM
@mgorny@social.treehouse.systems#PythonPoetry is yet another project that disrespectfully treats human bug reporters with #slop:
#NoAI #NoLLM
@mgorny@social.treehouse.systems#Python #cryptography library (yes, the one that criticizes everything and everyone) is now vibecoded. Our future is truly bright!
Noticed because apparently "Claude" wrote a test that OOM-ed my system. But hey, #RustLang protects against memory errors, so it's fine to vibecode your security critical components.
#security #AI #LLM #NoAI #NoLLM
@mgorny@social.treehouse.systemsOkay, so apparently there's been some "scuffle" between a cyclist and an old lady. The police's looking for the cyclist now, and shared a camera footage looking for help in finding them. Except that the footage is such a low resolution it's practically useless.
So helpful people from the internets used "#AI" to enhance it. So now we're looking at an angry mob looking for a person whose face was generated by an #LLM. Or well, multiple independently generated different faces apparently, but would that stop a mob from lynching a random person?
This fucking crap needs to be outlawed immediately. And whoever's selling it should end up behind bars.
#NoAI #NoLLM
@mgorny@social.treehouse.systemsOkay, I'll give you that: LLMs aren't the root of the problem.
Capitalism is. The idea of infinite growth. The idea that people can't just live, they must with 40 hours a week to justify their existence, and they must be purchasing something all the time. Companies must keep selling new stuff. All the resources must be tapped into and exploited.
And companies are making software. They must keep selling new features and pointless complete redesigns nobody wanted. The code must keep being churned over and over again. Programmers must justify their existence by churning out absurd amounts of meaningless code. The companies must exploit them.
Then, companies are entering the #OpenSource "market". They are acquiring and enshittifying. They are hiring and exploiting. And then so many volunteers just jump on the bandwagon and keep cosplaying them. And they too churn out useless code, "sell" pointless complete makeovers, "profit" off their users (even if they actually aren't making any real profit).
And then come LLMs, perfect tools for the job. Perfect tools for exploitation, for churning out useless code, for creating addiction, and for turning everyone into mindless corpospeak bullshit machines.
#AI #LLM #NoAI #NoLLM #AntiCapitalism
@mgorny@social.treehouse.systemsThe bright #LLM future, next part.
git.gentoo.org is now effectively dead, being DDoS-ed by almost a million different IPs every day. Most of them are just performing a single request at a totally random URL. How are people supposed to deal with that? How can we distinguish a legitimate user who hit some URL from a scraper that distributes its operations over thousands of IP addresses?
If you use LLM crap, you're part of the problem. You support these bastards. You should be ashamed of yourself.
#Gentoo #NoAI #NoLLM #AI
@mgorny@social.treehouse.systemsSome people may think of LLMs as the great equalizer. People who aren't programmers can vibecode working programs now. People who aren't artists can slop out something resembling art. However, it's the exact opposite.
When I was a kid, I also pretended to write programs. Of course, I didn't have such sophisticated toys ("kids could play with a stick for hours", as the hyperbole went). But then, I was fully aware that it's just make-believe and it didn't harm anybody.
#Vibecoding creates a horrible chasm of inequality. We have people who believe they're good programmers (even treating vibecoding as an enlightened religion) who shit tons of code at real human reviewers who now need to sift through. And then, we have projects embracing vibecoding and shitting new releases at unprecedented rate. And these releases again need to be reviewed by humans downstream.
#AI #LLM #NoAI #NoLLM
@mgorny@social.treehouse.systems @mgorny@social.treehouse.systems @mgorny@social.treehouse.systemsIf you think #vibecoding is fine, let me ask you a single question: would you use a medical device whose software was vibecoded? And by "medical device" I mean something where a bug could literally kill you.
If you answered "oh, gawd, no!" then consider that anytime you use an #LLM to contribute to or develop an #OpenSource project, there's a chance that this code will end up powering such a device. And even if it doesn't, you're setting a trend, and it will be even more likely that the software used by these devices will be vibecoded.
I have type 1 #diabetes. I also lead a physically active life. This is both a blessing and a curse. My doctors keep suggesting Constant Glucose Monitoring systems and insulin pumps to me. And I do realize that such hardware would likely improve my blood glucose, and definitely make my life much easier (especially with a closed loop system).
So why do my fingertips look like crap, and I keep using a glucometer and insulin pens? Because I don't want to risk my life to an unnecessarily complex technology.
Admittedly, I occasionally get things wrong and suffer consequences. Or I suspect I got them wrong and worry. Or meet an unexpected situation and need to figure out a way out. Or even accept having elevated glucose levels (as in nearing 200 mg/dl) because there's just no way to safely fit insulin doses on a particular day.
But still, I prefer having control and risking my own mistakes to a device that could suddenly start pumping insulin because of a bug. And that was even before the story of the application that stripped the decimal point and gave people ten times the dose. Or the one about CGMs giving wrong high glucose alerts. Or the whole vibecoding fancy.
Back then, I could have considered such a device. Now, I'm more worried than ever. And honestly, I'm hoping that relatively simple glucometers will remain available. To think that my worst fear used to be of a mechanical fault…
#AI #NoAI #NoLLM
@mgorny@social.treehouse.systems#Gentoo is still one of the bright outposts in #FLOSS where human work is valued and #LLM contributions are banned. However, sometimes I feel that this matters very little.
After all, Gentoo is a distribution. While it has its own value, it cannot exist without all the software it is shipping. It makes no sense in isolation.
And let's be honest, I don't think you can avoid slop today. We are trying our best to sieve out the worst: the copywashing chardet, the vibecoded NIH Perl crypto packages… but it's just that.
As someone who bumps Python packages, let me tell you this: LLMs are omnipresent. I notice Claude in commit logs, I notice the blasphemy of agent instructions all over the place… and there's probably much more than I don't notice. With many core components giving in, you can't avoid it without literally freezing on old, vulnerable versions, or spending hours looking for alternatives or creating them.
FLOSS is dead. People don't care. They don't have conscience. All they care about is the sick idea of "productivity", i.e. generating more slop.
The few of us who do care can do very little. We will continue doing our best until they kill us (as they're literally slowly killing the whole humankind). But that's it. Maybe it will pass once the bubble pops, maybe it won't. Either way, the damage is beyond repair. We will never be able to trust one another like we did. We will never again be a community building a better world.
It's just like everything nowadays. It's hard to find a good washing machine (one that will actually be repairable), good shoes (that won't fall apart shortly after the warranty expires), good food. You need lots of money, and even then you have to sieve through all the scammers who just sell the same shit with higher profit margin. #OpenSource is just another branch of business where people are trying to "sell" you shit, and don't care anymore if it explodes in your face. They don't even care if they're actually making a profit.
#AI #NoAI #NoLLM #enshittification #AntiCapitalism
