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@tiotasram@kolektiva.social
2025-07-28 13:06:20

How popular media gets love wrong
Now a bit of background about why I have this "engineered" model of love:
First, I'm a white straight cis man. I've got a few traits that might work against my relationship chances (e.g., neurodivergence; I generally fit pretty well into the "weird geek" stereotype), but as I was recently reminded, it's possible my experience derives more from luck than other factors, and since things are tilted more in my favor than most people on the planet, my advice could be worse than useless if it leads people towards strategies that would only have worked for someone like me. I don't *think* that's the case, but it's worth mentioning explicitly.
When I first started dating my now-wife, we were both in graduate school. I was 26, and had exactly zero dating/romantic experience though that point in my life. In other words, a pretty stereotypical "incel" although I definitely didn't subscribe to incel ideology at all. I felt lonely, and vaguely wanted a romantic relationship (I'm neither aromantic nor asexual), but had never felt socially comfortable enough to pursue one before. I don't drink and dislike most social gatherings like parties or bars; I mostly hung around the fringes of the few college parties I attended, and although I had a reasonable college social life in terms of friends, I didn't really do anything to pursue romance, feeling too awkward to know where to start. I had the beginnings of crushes in both high school and college, but never developed a really strong crush, probably correlated with not putting myself in many social situations outside of close all-male friend gatherings. I never felt remotely comfortable enough to act on any of the proto-crushes I did have. I did watch porn and masturbate, so one motivation for pursuing a relationship was physical intimacy, but loneliness was as much of a motivating factor, and of course the social pressure to date was a factor too, even though I'm quite contrarian.
When I first started dating my now-wife, we were both in graduate school. I was 26, and had exactly zero dating/romantic experience though that point in my life. In other words, a pretty stereotypical "incel" although I definitely didn't subscribe to incel ideology at all. I felt lonely, and vaguely wanted a romantic relationship (I'm neither aromantic nor asexual), but had never felt socially comfortable enough to pursue one before. I don't drink and dislike most social gatherings like parties or bars; I mostly hung around the fringes of the few college parties I attended, and although I had a reasonable college social life in terms of friends, I didn't really do anything to pursue romance, feeling too awkward to know where to start. I had the beginnings of crushes in both high school and college, but never developed a really strong crush, probably correlated with not putting myself in many social situations outside of close all-male friend gatherings. I never felt remotely comfortable enough to act on any of the proto-crushes I did have. I did watch porn and masturbate, so one motivation for pursuing a relationship was physical intimacy, but loneliness was as much of a motivating factor, and of course the social pressure to date was a factor too, even though I'm quite contrarian.
I'm lucky in that I had some mixed-gender social circles already like intramural soccer and a graduate-student housing potluck. Graduate school makes a *lot* more of these social spaces accessible, so I recognize that those not in school of some sort have a harder time of things, especially if like me they don't feel like they fit in in typical adult social spaces like bars.
However, at one point I just decided that my desire for a relationship would need action on my part and so I'd try to build a relationship and see what happened. I worked up my courage and asked one of the people in my potluck if she'd like to go for a hike (pretty much clearly a date but not explicitly one; in retrospect not the best first-date modality in a lot of ways, but it made a little more sense in our setting where we could go for a hike from our front door). To emphasize this point: I was not in love with (or even infatuated with) my now-wife at that point. I made a decision to be open to building a relationship, but didn't follow the typical romance story formula beyond that. Now of course, in real life as opposed to popular media, this isn't anything special. People ask each other out all the time just because they're lonely, and some of those relationships turn out fine (although many do not).
I was lucky in that some aspects of who I am and what I do happened to be naturally comforting to my wife (natural advantage in the "appeal" model of love) but of course there are some aspects of me that annoy my wife, and we negotiate that. In the other direction, there's some things I instantly liked about my wife, and other things that still annoy me. We've figured out how to accept a little, change a little, and overall be happy with each other (though we do still have arguments; it's not like the operation/construction/maintenance of the "love mechanism" is always perfectly smooth). In particular though, I approached the relationship with the attitude of "I want to try to build a relationship with this person," at first just because of my own desires for *any* relationship, and then gradually more and more through my desire to build *this specific* relationship as I enjoyed the rewards of companionship.
So for example, while I think my wife is objectively beautiful, she's also *subjectively* very beautiful *to me* because having decided to build a relationship with her, I actively tried to see her as beautiful, rather than trying to judge whether I wanted a relationship with her based on her beauty. In other words, our relationship is more causative of her beauty-to-me than her beauty-to-me is causative of our relationship. This is the biggest way I think the "engineered" model of love differs from the "fire" and "appeal" models: you can just decide to build love independent of factors we typically think of as engendering love (NOT independent of your partner's willingness to participate, of course), and then all of those things like "thinking your partner is beautiful" can be a result of the relationship you're building. For sure those factors might affect who is willing to try building a relationship with you in the first place, but if more people were willing to jump into relationship building (not necessarily with full commitment from the start) without worrying about those other factors, they might find that those factors can come out of the relationship instead of being prerequisites for it. I think this is the biggest failure of the "appeal" model in particular: yes you *do* need to do things that appeal to your partner, but it's not just "make myself lovable" it's also: is your partner putting in the effort to see the ways that you are beautiful/lovable/etc., or are they just expecting you to become exactly some perfect person they've imagined (and/or been told to desire by society)? The former is perfectly possible, and no less satisfying than the latter.
To cut off my rambling a bit here, I'll just add that in our progress from dating through marriage through staying-married, my wife and I have both talked at times explicitly about commitment, and especially when deciding to get married, I told her that I knew I couldn't live up to the perfect model of a husband that I'd want to be, but that if she wanted to deepen our commitment, I was happy to do that, and so we did. I also rearranged my priorities at that point, deciding that I knew I wanted to prioritize this relationship above things like my career or my research interests, and while I've not always been perfect at that in my little decisions, I've been good at holding to that in my big decisions at least. In the end, *once we had built a somewhat-committed relationship*, we had something that we both recognized was worth more than most other things in life, and that let us commit even more, thus getting even more out of it in the long term. Obviously you can't start the first date with an expectation of life-long commitment, and you need to synchronize your increasing commitment to a relationship so that it doesn't become lopsided, which is hard. But if you take the commitment as an active decision and as the *precursor* to things like infatuation, attraction, etc., you can build up to something that's incredibly strong and rewarding.
I'll follow this up with one more post trying to distill some advice from my ramblings.
#relationships #love

@izzychambers@vivaldi.net
2025-09-11 15:41:46

@… They were a little confused about my music choice, too. The person asking me about music said "genre" on Pandora, so I said, "uh, Americana", then some weird sounds came out and she asked me if it was the "right album". I had to tell her it wasn't an album, it was a genre. I spent most of the time wishing I had told her Kathleen Edwards, but…

@randy_@social.linux.pizza
2025-09-09 20:01:50

Day 5 - sore butt, but the fish was fresh
It was a horrible night in a capsule hotel, if you can actually call it that. The whole night felt like I was in some kind of theme park attraction. Two boxes stacked on top of each other, and every time the person below me exhales, my box starts to emulate a light earthquake.
Luckily, I found this very nice little café with lots of pastries and bread. I asked the barista what kind of breakfast she had, and she kindly took the time to ex…

@rasterweb@mastodon.social
2025-09-23 14:51:55

One thing I wasn't ready for on the bike commute was the bugs. Riding next to the river in summer is wonderful, but now when I head home the bugs are out, and they are tiny little bastards that fly into my face and my arms and get stuck on me. I do not love it. Hoping this works.
#biking #bikeTooter

A human person on a bike with a bandana and arm sleeves.
@unchartedworlds@scicomm.xyz
2025-09-20 10:48:48
Content warning: "AI notetakers", little cautionary tale

Hadn't seen this variation before.
Recently, a colleague has had that thing where, un-asked-for by them, their "AI notetaker" tries to go to all the meetings in their calendar. This time it was double trouble: they somehow had _two_ bots trying to come into every meeting citing their name. Consequently, a few of us have had to boot out these bots at the start of a meeting, when the person themself wasn't there.
Yesterday, the _real_ person tried to go to a meeting. The host (who was a bit flustered due to connection problems) mistook their name for the bot appearing yet again, and kicked them out! so they missed the meeting!
(I found out only afterwards that they'd been trying to get on, and what had happened.)
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Luckily it wasn't a meeting which hinged on this one person's presence, so not super high stakes. I was just thinking about it again now, and the phenomenon of "unwanted bot-behaviour causes knock-on problem". It reminded me of this more-troublesome episode, which I'd also read about yesterday:
#software #bots #SoCalledAI

@randy_@social.linux.pizza
2025-10-01 14:51:51

Contract with the Devil Himself.
Imagine waking up one random morning and deciding you want to become a pilot. Or a firefighter. In my small brain, that’s a normal dream.
But imagine you wake up and decide to become a dentist!
Any empathetic person on this flying rock would never willingly choose one of those Satan-worshipping professions. Hurting people all day long, using the creepiest tools the world has to offer — high-pitched drills, that little vacuum in the corner of y…

@tiotasram@kolektiva.social
2025-08-05 10:34:05

It's time to lower your inhibitions towards just asking a human the answer to your question.
In the early nineties, effectively before the internet, that's how you learned a lot of stuff. Your other option was to look it up in a book. I was a kid then, so I asked my parents a lot of questions.
Then by ~2000 or a little later, it started to feel almost rude to do this, because Google was now a thing, along with Wikipedia. "Let me Google that for you" became a joke website used to satirize the poor fool who would waste someone's time answering a random question. There were some upsides to this, as well as downsides. I'm not here to judge them.
At this point, Google doesn't work any more for answering random questions, let alone more serous ones. That era is over. If you don't believe it, try it yourself. Between Google intentionally making their results worse to show you more ads, the SEO cruft that already existed pre-LLMs, and the massive tsunami of SEO slop enabled by LLMs, trustworthy information is hard to find, and hard to distinguish from the slop. (I posted an example earlier: #AI #LLMs #DigitalCommons #AskAQuestion

@unchartedworlds@scicomm.xyz
2025-07-19 09:37:38
Content warning: what I plan to contribute to BiCon (July 2025, Nottingham and online)

I have plans for a few different things...
• Wednesday evening, 23 July, I'm hosting a 1-hour online thing that'll be open to whoever's already booked by then. It'll be a somewhat structured talky session on a theme of "inventing the BiCon you want", and an opportunity to meet other people who are going. Newcomers especially welcome :-)
• On the Friday morning at in-person BiCon, I'm offering a session called "Curiosity Skills". It's about which kinds of questions are genuinely "open", versus which kinds of questions allow your own assumptions and biases to sneak in! It'll be partly me explaining, and partly the chance for some little conversational experiments, to notice how the different questions work in practice.
• Subject to finding a nice quiet airy place to do it, I plan to run a mask-decoration session at some point on the Friday. I'll bring a few different kinds of masks, plus lace, beads and sequins, and some past experience of how to decorate masks without compromising the seal or the breathability. I'll invite donations for the materials. Decorate your mask for Pride! or for BiCon partying! or just because you like to :-)
• Also I will bring my badges and zines, and have them on sale!
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By the way, if you might come to the Wednesday evening online bit, let me know what time you'd like it to start, because that's a question I have open at the moment. Could be 19.00, 19.30, 20.00. For myself I don't really mind, but I'm aware that some people have teatimes or child-bedtimes that can't easily be moved.
#bi #trans #Nottingham #EastMidlands #England #UK #BiCon #bisexual #bisexuality #queer #LGBT #LGBTQ